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 Post subject: Leo & Horner's syndrome New update added 4/15/14!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:52 pm 
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UPDATE! As you know I thought Leo had a stroke... AS USUAL "YOU ARE RIGHT ON!" It is Horner's Syndrome or Bell's Palsy as you have said! Thank you for your advise.... He was not a happy camper going to the vet with out his big brother and Buddy was not a happy camper that he had to stay home. They usually go to the vet together.... Leo is on meds, drops and has been really good about taking both. Doctor said he needs to go back in a couple weeks for another check. Also has an ear infection so has drops for his ear too. Poor Guy!

He continues to take his meds and puts up with the weird lack of feeling in his face I can see the frustration he is feeling I have posted more updates below!


Photos below just added! On 3/24 Update information posted below..... I think his condition is worse as the facial paralysis looks worse to me! The photos below show his droopy face and eye....


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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for Leo Please!
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We'll be praying for Leo. So sad to hear about this. I hope you get an encouraging report from the vet tomorrow. :paw :hp :paw


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Sending prayers for Leo! It could be Horners Syndrome which is similar to Bells Palsy in humans.
Dusty had that. One half of his face drooped for a month or so, but it completely healed and now you would never know. I pray it's something like that without permanent effects.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for Leo Please!
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Hi Tom, I am sorry to hear about Leo. I hardly ever post here but visit everyday! The same thing you are describing with Leo happened to my Madison. We thought she had a stroke but it turns out it was something called "facial nerve paralysis".. Similar to bells palsy. Madison had an MRI to determine if there was a cause and it turns out hers was "idiopathic" which gave us no answers. She slowly recovered and then got it again the next year. I tied it to her Bordaella vaccine as it happened both times right after the vaccine. Her symptoms were exactly the same as Leo's... Drooling, droopping food, no blinking and droopy eye and face and she also had muscle weakness. You may want to ask your vet about it,...I hope Leo gets better very soon. If you have any questions let me know. I researched the heck out of this sickness when Madison had it.

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Tom - I just wanted to add my thoughts to the previous posts. We also had a cocker with these same symptoms many years ago. And like you, our first thought was that it was a stroke. We took him to a specialist who took one look at him and told us not to worry, we weren't going to lose him and that it wasn't a stroke. It was like the others said - something similar to Bell's Palsy. Shiloh was just fine and in time a lot of his face went back to normal. He lived till he was 16 and just always had a very slight droopy look on one side of his face - which somehow made him all the more adorable looking. I will pray for you and Leo.

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I've had dogs (3 of them) suffer strokes. They all recovered from all effects within minutes...very few minutes. I suspect horners as well.

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Poor Leo! Adding my prayers too. A friend of mine has a jack Russell that had the "Bell's palsy too". She recovered after a few months hopefully it's a "easy fix"

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Thoughts and prayers for Leo that it is nothing serious. Please keep us updated.

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Thoughts and prayers for sure. However in an attempt to make you feel better, I agree with Susan that it sounds more like Horner's Syndrome. When Annie was fighting IMHA two years ago and we were concerned with her having blood clotting the same thing happened to her. We rushed her to the vet convinced she's had a stroke. Our vet said that 1. Dogs can have strokes but very seldom and 2. Horner's Syndrome is what will make you think your dog had one.

So if your vet does say it's Horner's what we found helpful was liquid tears for the affected eye to keep it moist. I also put warm compresses on the side of the face affected and would then gently massage that side along the jaw, up to the eye and back again. I wanted to keep the muscles there soft. It took almost six weeks for improvement but it did clear up. Again, if it is Horner's, many times after one side clears up the other side is affected. It didn't happen with Annie but I have a couple of friends that dealt with that with their pups.

So....here's hoping it's a minor thing!

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Our Ginger had something like this. I first noticed she was dropping a lot of food while she ate, then noticed her eye wasn't closing when she slept, then saw that the two sides of her face were so not even. Like others said it was idiopathic bells palsy or Horners syndrome. Hope that is all it is with Leo too! We had to put in eye gel to keep the eye from drying out but otherwise it was just a wait it out kind of thing. I do believe it was several weeks before it went back to normal. Here is a photo of Ginger as you can see the right side of her face (left in photo) was paralyzed and she had no feeling whatsoever on that side.

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Thinking of Leo and you. Keep us updated when you have time!!

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Hoping the best for Leo! Maybe by now you've been with him to the vet? The pups here have their paws crossed it is not something serious.

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Our Reese also had "idopathic facial paralysis," (aka Horner's) which basically means his face was partially paralyzed for no apparent reason (couldn't blink on one side, droopy lip, etc.). After a few weeks he was totally fine. This was several years ago and we haven't seen it happen again. The vet said it doesn't cause pain nor affect quality of life. Hope that's what happened with Leo. Thinking of you all.

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Sending prayers and positive energy your way. I sure hope it is just that Bells Palsey and not a stroke. Mary

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I am adding my prayers for Leo.
Gosh..poor baby.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for Leo Please! UPDATE 3-5
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Glad to hear it's Horner's and not something worse. As I said, I massaged that nerve along the face after using warm compresses. It really seemed to help.

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So glad to hear it was not a stroke, hopefully he will be his usual self in a short while. I know how scary it can be when they aren't feeling well.

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One way to tell if you dog just had a stoke is by checking their eyes. The eyes will be jumping, from lack of a better term. That would be while symptoms are still apparent. Dogs recover within a very few minutes, nearly always, from a stroke

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Just seeing this now. So very glad Leo is going to be alright. Have heard of Horner's Syndrome, and am so glad it was that and not a stroke. He is so very handsome, and it is definitely stressful for the humans and the fur brothers when babies get sick. Will add him to our prayer list. And check for updates.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for Leo Please! UPDATE 3-5
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:hp :hp UPDATE! :hp :hp

I am totally amazed how resilient our fur babies can be! Leo is coping really well with the frustrations of this condition. He is a drool machine and he know it, so, he has become a master self groomer, constantly cleaning himself, at least where he can reach, daddy has to brush the ears and upper chest area though! He is being great about everything, too, the pills, ear drops and eye drops. He really seems to enjoy being wiped off with a warm wash clothe! He has always been a cuddle puppy but has been more so. He is having trouble making his tong cooperate with eating and has become an adventure. He picks out one "special" piece at a time and works really hard to keep it in his mouth as he chews it. He still does the ball thing when he eats it just take him longer to do the process. For those who don't know about this, he moves his "blue" eating ball around the food dish when the ball get's to the beginning spot he stops eating and walks away. Now that he is only eating one piece at a time he is making two trips around the bowl.... he is so funny! Any comfort he can find he is doing it, I notice he has been searching out sunny spots to lay in and cuddles up on momma's recliner, with the heating pad on low if she has been using it. He wants to give puppy hugs more often, I think he is just looking for someone to tell him it's O.K. that he is not feeling well! He is such a good boy and a complete love! Buddy has been a wonderful big brother too and acts like he is looking out for him too! He waits for him to catch up when they go out and waits for him to finish before they come in. He used to just leave him out in the yard and run to the door to come in and Leo would be left out looking around like "where do everyone go?!" :ROFL

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for Leo Please! UPDATE 3-5
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what a sweet account of Buddy. He sounds like a true gentle man. So glad he is on the mend.

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 Post subject: Re: Horner's Syndrome and Leo! (((UPDATE)))
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Went to Vet on Friday 3/14 Leo doing about the same! Both boys had nails clipped and head to toe physicals! Buddy doing great for 12 year old and gave entire staff puppy kisses... Leo hid under Momma and shook the whole time even when being examined. Doctor says he is doing o.k. but has not improved as much as She would like to see..... Keep him in thoughts please!

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 Post subject: Re: Horner's Syndrome and Leo! (((UPDATE)))
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I've learnt something I thought Horners syndrome was an eye problem, and anything worse would be Bell's Palsy. Anyway lets hope things improve.


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